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Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 00:41:00 - [1] Originally by: Boz Well Edited by: Boz Well on 22/07/2008 00:40:13 Originally by: Kyra Felann Originally by: Vaal Erit ITT: Is someone going to wonder why the Minmatar don't have a dedicated Fleet BS with a bonus to tracking/range? Because differences between the races and their ships are good? Race A's battleships being great and Race B's battleships sucking isn't quite the type of difference that is beneficial. Differences are fine, so long as things balance out in the end. Having one race's battleships be clearly weaker simply because that makes them 'different' is not a good thing. Pilgrim sucks, rapier rocks. Youre not the only one in pain and misery. welcome to eve. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 11:52:00 - [2] Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Pilgrim sucks, rapier rocks. Youre not the only one in pain and misery. welcome to eve. Dont even spew pilgrim BS into a battleship thread. Guess what, the curse isn't too bad of a ship either. Too bad the amarrian t2 cruiser lineup is pretty kickass, you don't seem to realize it. You've got alot of racial perks like t2 shield resist advantage and speed advantage for alot of your t2 ships like your dictors, hacs and recons. T1 cruisers are great like rupture and stabber. They are actually useful. Amarr do have good cruisers BUT their T1 cruisers suck badly, really bad and the pilgrim is a horrid ship and curse isnt all that great if you can use a sac anyway. Just because the racial perks of minmatar doesnt perfectly enhance your battleships doesnt justify crazy boosts. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 13:12:00 - [3] Everything below 150km is NOt a fleet sniper. FYI. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 13:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: ScoRpS If you can use alpha strike to pop a tanked bs with direct fire, and that means 1 collective volley from say 30 bs's. then your talking the buisness. zero reaction time to warp or rep. if u have to factor in any sort of dps then you're set up wrong for a fleet fight. For me its tempest's all the way. Its all about the alpha and 30 tempest's would probably decimate any other fleet of similar numbers, although apocs recently got some sort of boost. Not 100% truth. because you need high dps when you are killing capital ships. And when fighting on laggy environment of fleets against capital ships nothing is better than an Apoc. It does not need to reload and have a high dps. Usually amarr BS are the top damage dealers on dead capital ships among all the sub capital ships involved in the kill. Yeah but does it matter? I mean its not like people are buying a ship because "yay it gets ontop of 30min carrier pounding killmails". ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:45:00 - [5] Originally by: AstroPhobic Edited by: AstroPhobic on 22/07/2008 15:43:20 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer You've got alot of racial perks like t2 shield resist advantage and speed advantage for alot of your t2 ships like your dictors, hacs and recons. T1 cruisers are great like rupture and stabber. They are actually useful. Resist advantage? Like your t2 ships don't have good resists? Quote: Amarr do have good cruisers BUT their T1 cruisers suck badly, really bad and the pilgrim is a horrid ship and curse isnt all that great if you can use a sac anyway. Arbitrator doesn't suck. Omen isn't bad. Maller is funny as a bait ship. Yes, the pilgrim needs a boost. So does the bellicose. And the muninn. BTW, the curse is the only ship that I fear, no matter what I'm piloting. I wouldn't like to engage it in anything other than a neut domi. Quote: Just because the racial perks of minmatar doesnt perfectly enhance your battleships doesnt justify crazy boosts. I seem to be missing these "racial perks" as the only ones you mentioned was some "resist advantage" that you didn't even quantify, and speed advantage that means nothing at battleship level. Our align times aren't even good. And the resist "advantages" were for t2 ships only. Hasn't it been said that a good cruiser lineup doesn't deserve a failure of a BS lineup? PS, proposed (if you're actually reading the large projectiles thread, somehow I take it you're not) boosts actually put ACs below pulse lasers in every damage/range category. So, uh, buhu. Wait, you seriously dont understand the resist advantage of T2 minmatar? Ok I'll explain this but it is funny because this is the race you fly. You should understand it. You see minmatar T2 ships get additional EM and Thermal resists because amarr are their enemy. Basically all minmatar T2 ships are also shield tanked (except muninn). Shields have weak thermal and em resists inherently. This means most minmatar T2 ships have very good distributed shield resists. So not only do your recons have an awsome ew (long webs, wich is awsome in the age of nanos) but your recon shield resists make it very easy to just slap two extenders and have great buffer while ships like curse are boned when they take fire from lasers specially. Arbi? Omen? Maller? Get real, the only usable cruisers are rupture, stabber, vexor, thorax, blackbird. Mimatar have 2 great cruisers. Amarr have half a cruiser (arbi is half a point, rest zero tbh). My point about the curse is that it has no role. If you wanna kill nanos you get minni recons. If you want to jam stuff you get ecm boats. If you want a solo boat you get a sacrilege. And let me tell you this. Curse is actually broken just like ishtar is. There is no practical fit that works that doesnt involve nano and when ccp nerf nano some day that ship is going to suck azz. I'm just saying small disadvantages of some minmatar BS is not really huge compared to all the advantages minmatar have in many other ship classes. It is not a huge deal. Its not like your whole race is broken. Its small issues like ammo of arties. Not reason to give tempests 7 turrets and the agility of a cruiser. Its used by many people and its not a crap ship as some try to portrait it. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 17:46:00 - [6] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 22/07/2008 17:46:18 Originally by: Boz Well Are you honestly crying about Curse? Sac and Zealot aren't that good? Lol? Uhm I never said anything degrading about sac and zealot. And yeah curse will suck once ccp nerf nano, just like ishtar because of failed roles and fittings. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 21:49:00 - [7] Originally by: Veryez You post this trash in a post about fleet battleships? Get this through your skull, balance does not, nor should it ever take into account different ship classes. Not ever. Just because minmatar cruisers are somewhat good, that should have no impact on carrier balance. It doesn't work, they are used in different scenarios and require different skill sets. You should get into your skull that racial perks sometimes work in favor of some ship classes and against other ship classes. That is why you cant just blindly ignore all other ship classes. If ships were balanced according to your logic then curse would need same t2 resist distribution as huginns for example because they both passive shield tank with not much room for covering any holes. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 21:50:00 - [8] Originally by: Boz Well Lolowned. Well said. Amazing how a thread can be about fleet snipers and people start talking omgnerfVagabond. Then again... Astro and I have derailed many a topic and ended up talking about the Tempest, so I guess I can understand how it happens. I didnt say nerf vaga, did I? Now look who is derailing. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2008.07.22 21:53:00 - [9] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 22/07/2008 21:53:35 Originally by: AstroPhobic Originally by: Lyria Skydancer I'm just saying small disadvantages of some minmatar BS is not really huge compared to all the advantages minmatar have in many other ship classes. It is not a huge deal. Its not like your whole race is broken. Its small issues like ammo of arties. Not reason to give tempests 7 turrets and the agility of a cruiser. Its used by many people and its not a crap ship as some try to portrait it. Small disadvantages? Like a tier 3 BS being out-DPSed, out-manuevered, out-EHP'd by a tier 1 BS? No, really. Maybe you don't ever pay attention when numbers get posted. You "opinion" this and "opinion" that, saying your cruisers are crap and not worth a "full point" when it's obviously not true. That's great and all if you're on the CCP balancing team, but eve isn't balanced upon how you portray it to be. I also find it truly sickening that you constantly try and belittle the problems that are clear and evident. You want amarr to be the super-race? Fine, i'll be fully specced in 3 months. Guess what. By that time I'll be able to proficiently fly both minmatar AND amarr ships. Why should I care which ones are better? I'll tell you what. I can already fly(read: step into) all amarr subcapitals, so how about in a few months I'll tell you which ones truly need help. I'd suggest you find yourself some minmatar ships to fly since they're the "uber cruiser" race. Maybe you can actually be objective instead completely opinionated and self-centered. As I said above if racial perks that work against a ship class in each race needs to be balanced (like you would want it) lets start by: -giving curse additional em and thrm resists instead of kin and exp -lets give speed bonuses to our dictors aswell, because speed is king in this class -lets give dictors turrets instead of missiles, also better -etc etc etc and now youre gonna say "well those listed problems are really huge problems for those ships". Well, ditto. ----------------------------------------- [Video] I'm a soldier, so remember the name

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